Marvel vs Fox

Let’s quickly recap… If I had to put a finger on it, I’d say that the superhero movie boom that we are currently experiencing began with Sony and their first iteration of Spider-Man way back in 2002. Yes, Fox released the first X-Men film in 2000 but, as successful as it was, it didn’t make crazy numbers like Spider-Man, which raked in over $400M domestically and over $800M worldwide. Massive numbers indeed. Spider-Man was the highest grossing domestic film of 2002, and the 3rd highest grossing film worldwide. Even today, it remains in the top twenty. Some may prefer to point to Tim Burton’s 1989 Batman film as the beginning but if you recall, the 1989 Batman started off strong but subsequent follow up films quickly declined and fell short. By 1997, many people felt that the string of terrible Batman films put the “ki-bosh” on other superhero movies.

Sony’s Spider-Man made over $400M domestically and over $800M worldwide in 2002. Wow!

As we all know, Marvel has a sordid history when it comes to their finances. They’ve been in and out of bankruptcy several times. However, by becoming a licensing company, they were praised by the financial sector for turning their company around. By allowing other companies to take on the risk of merchandising their characters, they quickly became the most profitable company in America! Marvel could sit back, collect royalties while the toy companies and movie studios did all the grunt work. Their movie deals with Fox and Sony in particular were considered smart decisions at the time. However, once they saw how much money could be made from the movie biz, they decided to switch gears and become a movie studio. In a controversial move, they struck up a 10 picture deal with Merill Lynch using their top characters as collateral. Knowing how dicey the movie business can be, many critics disapproved of this decision. “Stick to what you know”, they said… Marvel had a good thing going so why risk it? Their first movie, Iron Man in 2008, proved to be a massive hit, and even the disappointing Hulk movie was still considered a win financially. Their success got the attention of Disney who purchased Marvel in 2009 for a whopping $4.3B. It may have seemed lofty at the time but considering that the first Avengers film alone brought in about $1.5B worldwide… what a deal Disney got!

At one point, DreamWorks Animation (red) was outpacing Disney (blue). In the past 5 years, things have flipped and Disney is now trending above the S&P500 (green) while DreamWorks has fallen below the S&P500 index.

Fast forward to 2015 and Marvel continues to dazzle us with their movies. It would seem that Marvel can do no wrong, and Bob Iger is sitting pretty having snatched up Marvel on the heels of Pixar, then followed up by Lucasfilm… all under his watch as the new CEO of Disney. What a résumé he’ll have! We’ve all seen Marvel’s movie road map and we all know it does not include mutants. This of course is because mutants on screen was sold off to Fox. Some fan boys are saying that Marvel was stupid to sell off the mutant rights to Fox but these people have a short memory and they forget how Marvel arrived here. In an interesting turn of events, Marvel’s business partner has now become a competitor.

This updated info graphic shows Spidey somewhat back with Marvel, the Sub-Mariner remains at Universal and Fox maintains the X-Men.

So what does this all mean? Well, Marvel is in a tricky position. On one hand, they want to out perform Fox at the box office. They also need to replace the mutant concept in order to move their stories forward. As well, they certainly don’t want to help Fox… or should they? After all, the X-Men are still a popular comic title. But, comics simply don’t bring in the kind of money that movies do, thus comics have in essence become promotional material for the movies and not the other way around.

Notably missing from Marvel’s 75 anniversary party are the X-Men, Fantastic Four... and the Sub-Mariner. In their place we’ve got the Guardians of the Galaxy.
Notably missing from Marvel’s 75 anniversary party are the X-Men, Fantastic Four… and the Sub-Mariner. In their place we have the Guardians of the Galaxy.

Late last year, Marvel killed off Wolverine, one of their most popular characters. Earlier this year, Marvel cancelled the “world’s greatest comic magazine”, the Fantastic Four. And more recently, the Scarlet Witch and the Quicksilver’s origin got rewritten so that they are no longer mutants. As you can imagine, these latest developments do not sit well with some fans, especially those who grew up with these characters. Without the mutant concept, Marvel needs another explanation to justify all the super powered beings and it would seem that the Inhumans are their answer. A quick scan of the “blog-o-sphere” and you can read comments from fan boys calling Marvel a “spoiled brat”, “money-grubbing scumbags” and a “two year-old having a tantrum”. Some are vowing never to read Marvel comics again. Aside from the over reaction, I think the more interesting question here is… are these developments an attack on Fox? We know that Marvel hasn’t been happy with how their characters have been handled by other studios, especially the Fantastic Four, so could their actions be a deliberate attempt to undermine non-Marvel movies? Even at the cost of print sales? Caught in-between all this are the fans and based on the outrage, some people certainly views it as such. Aside from being a pop culture sensation, Marvel is foremost a business. As part of the Disney conglomerate, they are looking to maximize profits and protect their interests. At one point, Fox was a part of this equation but this is no longer the case. So why should Marvel help Fox profit from their property? As comic fans, we may not agree with corporate decisions but from a business perspective, not helping the competition is logical. Ideally for Marvel, if the Fantastic Four and X-Men under perform perhaps Fox will surrender the movie rights as they have with Daredevil. Movies are only part of what is at stake of course. Disney is in it for the long haul and the long term perspective include follow up views, toys and merchandising, all of which add up to huge numbers for decades to come.

Lot of Guardians toys in the stores right now but you probably wont find any official Days of the Future Past merchandise... or any new Fantastic Four toys.
A lot of Guardians of the Galaxy toys in the stores right now but you probably won’t find any official Days of the Future Past merchandise… or any new Fantastic Four toys.

I consider the fan response to be an over reaction because comics have always been notorious for their convoluted story lines. Try as we might to forget the “Clone Saga” (1994), “Heroes Reborn” (1996) or “Ultimatum” (2008)… they did happen. Don’t get me started on “One More Day” (2007) where Spidey makes a deal with Mephisto to save Aunt May (thank you Joe Quesada). This in addition to all the deaths and rebirths of our favourite characters. While we may not like what is currently happening, we’ve been through worse, so I suspect that the comics world will survive the current evolution as Marvel tries to coordinate their print universe with their film universe. Rewriting the Scarlet Witch and the Quicksilver as being genetically enhanced by the High Evolutionary is just another twist to the already tangled Marvel universe.

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We can certainly continue the debate whether the single minded corporate mandate to make money is morally ethical or not, but for now Marvels recent decisions are simply business as usual. If you really are deeply bothered by it, you can always vote with your hard earned spending dollars.

Charlie Kim
Charlie Kim

Charlie Kim is a designer who is currently transitioning into teaching. While working for various companies, he helped develop many international brands such as the Hong Kong Airport identity, Lenovo’s sponsorship program for the Beijing Olympics and Lavasa, a new city being developed in India. Locally, he's also worked on the 1998 campaign for the Canadian Opera Company, the Canadian Innovations stamp for Canada Post and the terrible Grand & Toy re-brand (hey, they can't all be winners). Charlie’s love affair with art and design all began with comics.

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ArcRun - Mike Huddleston

Thank you for this re-cap of events Charlie. It’s always about the money.

I personally think from the Marvel side of things, the X-Men movies blazed the trail for the success of Spider-Man. The X movies were well done and very popular with fans of all stripes. I don’t think many fans at the time cared who was producing the movies, they just wanted good movies.

Marvel certainly has got it right since Iron Man #1. I just wonder how long it will be before their is super-hero movie burnout. Sooner or later they are going to lay an egg. I wonder who it will be?

Dennis De Pues
9 years ago

You know , it might not be so much about laying an egg, as it could be oversaturation of content. Marvels characters are stronger properties as a whole in my opinion, with ton’s of great stories available to be tweeked for the cinematic universe. I wouldn’t be surprised if it just comes down to people wanting other stories besides the long underwear and cape types. Look at the strength of some of the comics out there that are coming out of the smaller publishers. Velvet , Lazarus, Fade Out and so on , with some amazing, well thought out premises.

9 years ago

Personally, I enjoy the Inhumans far, far more than the mutants concept. For some reason, the word “Mutant” reminds me of some poor tortured soul that’s a mistake trying to be normal again. I really dislike the word!!! As for “Inhuman” , it’s in my humble opinion that it reflects something more, something beyond out intellect. The Inhumans remind me of a cross between “Lord of The Rings” and “Harry Potter”. The whole premise has a much nicer tone to it 🙂